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Grenfell Inquiry day 76: ‘stay put’ should be dropped when blaze moves across floors, says expert

The stay put policy should be abandoned on high-rise towers when a fire begins to move between floors, the Grenfell Inquiry heard today.

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When quizzed on whether stay put policies should be abandoned when ‘compartmentalisation’ within a buildings is breached, the inquiry’s expert witness Professor Jose Torero responded: “Yes, when fire starts spreading beyond floor of origin.”

Professor Torero, who was giving evidence as part of the Grenfell Inquiry today, was also asked by the inquiry’s lawyer whether evacuation was necessary when compartmentalisation was breached, and whether that was the only viable option at that point.

He replied yes to both questions.

Compartmentalisation is the theory that tower blocks will contain fires within the unit – or flat – of origin for long enough for firefighters to extinguish the blaze.


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Earlier in the day, Professor Torero submitted a report that called for the “early and significant failure” of the compartmentalisation in the Grenfell Tower to be further investigated and clearly understood.

He submitted evidence looking into the reasons behind the spread of the fire, alongside the inquiry’s other expert witnesses Dr Barbara Lane and Professor Luke Bisby.

Dr Lane said in her updated evidence that the certificate given to show the cladding used on the tower complied with building guidance was “factually incorrect”.

Professor Lane criticised the certificate provided for the panels provided by the British Board of Agrément (BBA) saying the body relied on “out-of-date reports”.

Professor Bisby, who is a professor of fire and structures at the University of Edinburgh, submitted updated evidence which highlighted survivor evidence about flames entering flats through extractor fans.

He commented in his evidence that in many cases the extractor fans were the first components of the windows to fail and fall away.

He also said there was some visual evidence to suggest that the first external part of the building to ignite was the extractor unit outside Flat 16.

As part of Professor Torero’s submitted evidence, he suggested that the inadequate performance of self-closing doors could have been a contributory factor to the early spread of the fire.

The professor fielded questions from the inquiry throughout the day on his report.

Asked by inquiry head Sir Martin Moore-Bick whether the lobbies of the tower were compromised by doors not closing after residents left their flats, Professor Torero said: “Absolutely, that is a possibility.”

He added: “That would imply self-closing mechanisms were not working and that people didn’t close the doors. Clearly that is a possibility that needs to be evaluated very carefully.”

Nevertheless, when asked how significant the lack of self-closers in terms of the compromise of the lobbies with smoke.

He said: “That is a difficult question to answer, obviously if the door doesn’t close the effect on the lobby is significant.

“Unfortunately, self-closers are not the most reliable of systems.”

Professor Torero used the example of the door between the coffee room and inquiry room at the Holborn Bars, where the inquiry was being held, and pointed out that the self-closing mechanism had been removed.

He said: “Having an enormous reliance on self-closing mechanisms is probably asking too much of a system that is a secondary means of protection, in principal if the fire would have not emerged from compartment of origin, then all these secondary elements would not been truly significant to the fire safety strategy.”

He added: “The problem is when everything else fails, these are the only thing that can pick up the pieces and then they acquire a significance they were never intended to have.”

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry

Closing statements

 

Day 85: victims' lawyers attack the fire brigade

 

Further expert evidence

Including some additional evidence from emergency call handlers, bereaved and relatives

 

Day 84: further evidence from survivors and relatives

Day 83: swift evacuation of tower possible if residents alerted

Day 82: initial fire was extinguished but then returned to the flat

Day 81: overheating fridge-freezer most likely cause of fire

Day 80: fire doors installed did not match product tested

Day 79: resident advised to stay put despite fire in flat

Day 78: insulation and cladding material below required standard

Day 77: molten plastic spread blaze down tower

Day 76: 'stay put' should be dropped when fire spreads across floors

 

Other witness evidence

Police, ambulance, gas suppliers, council, TMO and call room operators give evidence

 

Day 75: call room operators give evidence

Day 74: further evidence from TMO officers

Day 73: TMO boss failed to pass information to firefighters

Day 72: fire finally extinguished when gas switched off

Day 71: further questions over stay put advice

Day 70: the police evidence

 

The bereaved, survivors and relatives’ evidence

 

Day 69: video shows smoke billowing through fire door

Day 68: KCTMO removed self closing mechanism and never replaced it

Day 67: gaps in cladding fixed with duct tape

Day 66: 'don't fix broken system with a sticking plaster'

Day 65: survivor dragged disabled man down nine floors to safety

Day 64: KCTMO 'did not replace broken fire door'

Day 63: foam insulation inside cladding 'exposed' says survivor

Day 62: father gives harrowing account of son's death

Day 61: council’s management organisation slammed for faulty electrics

Day 60: stay put advice ‘led to deaths’, residents say

Day 59: residents describe problems with new windows

Day 58: survivor describes how daughter saved his life

Day 57: firefighter evidence ‘a slap in the face’, says survivor

Day 56: relations with contractor were ‘toxic’

Day 55: resident 'never happy' with stay-put advice

Day 54: tenant gives evidence about housing association

Day 53: stay put advice 'felt like trap'

Day 52: resident saved by son's phone call

 

The firefighters’ evidence

 

Day 51: firefighter feared encouraging residents to jump

Day 50: the LFB commissioner

Day 49: fire chief reveals frustration over lack of building plans

Day 48: internal fire spread 'bigger story' than cladding

Day 47: fire officer considered evacuating crews over building collapse fears

Day 46: 'we were improvising' senior firefighter admits

Day 45: firefighter urged for abandonment of 'stay put' policy

Day 44: firefighter recalls radio signal difficulties

Day 43: call hander 'uncomfortable' with insisting residents stay put

Day 42: residents only told to leave if they called fire brigade back

Day 41: breathing equipment delay 'hampered rescues on upper floors'

Day 40: chiefs told firefighters to abandon policy

Day 39: firefighters reveal dramatic rescue of children

Day 38: firefighters issue aplogies to families

Day 37: council 'unable to provide tower plans'

Day 36: QC defends inquiry process

Day 35: Javid would welcome interim recommendations

Day 34: water from hose 'too weak' to reach the flames

Day 33: 'oh my god, we've been telling people to stay put'

Day 32: further fire fighter describes lack of equipment and low water pressure

Day 31: 'incredibly difficult' task of recording information outlined

Day 30: struggle to maintain control over rescue operation described

Day 29: fire service 'overwhelmed' by survival guidance calls

Day 28: 'the building beat us'

Day 27: firefighters 'forced to abandon plans to reach roof'

Day 26: poor signage hindered rescue efforts

Day 25: water pressure left firefighting equipment 'like garden hose'

Day 24: decision to abandon 'stay put' explored

Day 23: TV images 'could have assissted' rescue effort

Day 22: description of hectic scenes in the control centre

Day 21: account from the fire service 'nerve centre'

Day 20: firefighter describes 'huge volume' of calls from trapped residents

Day 19: firefighter 'given no training on cladding fires'

Day 18: evacuation would have been 'huge catastrophe'

Day 17: firefighters describe access and lift issues

Day 16: scenes of carnage likened to 9/11

Day 15: firefighters recount trauma of survival guidance calls

Day 14: firefighters describe spread of blaze

Day 13: firefighters recall radio difficulties

Day 12: "it was like a war zone"

Day 11: questions raised over fire fighters' radios

Day 10: watch manager emotional under questioning

Day nine: lead firefighter 'not trained in stay put policy'

 

The expert reports: authors give evidence to inquiry

 

Day eight: where the fire started

Day seven: what was in the cladding?

Day six: the cause and spread of the fire

Day five: expert highlights key issues

Day four: firefighters defend response to fire

Day three: council and contractors appear for the first time

Day two: lawyers for the survivors make their case

Day one: expert evidence released on cladding and stay put

 

The commemoration hearings

 

30 May: Grenfell Council 'recognised it should not house disabled victim above four storeys'

29 May: Anger on day six of the Grenfell Inquiry

25 May: Grenfell families 'forced to live in chimney with stay put policy'

24 May: Grenfell family complained about father being housed on 17th floor

23 May: Tributes to children on third day of Grenfell hearings

22 May: Emotions run high as Grenfell bereaved shown footage of the tower burning

21 May: Grenfell victims share tributes as inquiry opens

 

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